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atadami · 09-10-2003, 04:22 AM

http://iason.doxamusic.com/solegna/gumballs.jpg

anyone know a more efficient method of filling a gumball machine with gumballs?

set up hardbody dynamics using motion designer perhaps?

regards

Leovenous · 09-10-2003, 04:29 AM

Very nice. That kind of refraction render takes me forever and a day.

Looks like you need more geometry on the base.

atadami · 09-10-2003, 05:02 AM

you're absolutely right... i forgot to subpatch the base.
thanks.

Fallenswordsman · 09-10-2003, 06:05 PM

I really like this set up. Although its not something you would first consider as the most exciting of subjects, I do like the way you've done the texturing and lighting of it. Good old HDRI!

voices3d · 12-10-2003, 06:50 PM

*drools over the nice render.* Is there any refraction on the glass? or is it just reflection?

philip · 12-10-2003, 07:18 PM

voices3D is right: there's only reflection on the glass...

nice render though. I'm particularly impressed with the tiles material. Good work.

atadami · 12-10-2003, 09:40 PM

there was no refraction in the previous images because it's simulating a perfect vacuum! j/k...

here's a render with some refraction.

Kvaalen · 12-10-2003, 09:48 PM

Cool!

I agree with philip about the textures, very nice!
I especially like the red metal and tiles.

voices3d · 12-10-2003, 10:11 PM

What Refraction index do you use? i never get mine right.

atadami · 12-10-2003, 10:30 PM

i used 1.5 refraction index for the glass and 1.003 for the air as prescribed in philip's jack daniel's bottle tutorial at liquid-arts.de

http://www.liquid-arts.de/

thanks philip!

and thank you all for your feedback!

DigiMatt · 13-10-2003, 08:01 AM

wow.. very nice tile texture!!!

fusion301 · 13-10-2003, 09:05 PM

Well nobody has answered your question...I'm not so certain myself but possibly if you did use motion designer were you thinking of making a particle emitter then linking it to your gumball object? It would require self collision I suppose so they dont go through each other....hrmmm now you have me thinking let us know what you come up with.

atadami · 14-10-2003, 05:32 AM

well, i think i have the motion designer approach working.

i originally thought i could use a particle emitter to generate the gumballs (fx_linker), but getting them to keep from going through each other wasn't working. then i realized i would have to select each gumball individually and activate it in motion designer one by one. (not fun!)

so, instead i just arrayed a bunch of gumballs all on one layer getting them as close together as i could within the glass globe and in layout let motion designer (with a little help from gravity) put the gumballs on top of each other.

here's a pic of a test i did...

i'll post an updated pic of the gumball machine soon hopefully.

hmmm... i wonder what motion designer would do with two objects (gumballs) that started out intersecting... more tests!

Kvaalen · 14-10-2003, 06:35 AM

Looks like it works for you, but I still think particles would be a faster and simpler way. In order to stop them from going into each other, just give the particles a particle size that is the same as the diameter of each gumball.

atadami · 14-10-2003, 08:05 AM

Kvaalen,

perhaps i misunderstood, but are you sure particles can detect collision with other particles? i haven't been able to figure that one out.

please show me an example... an image, a tutorial, anything...

thanks!

12-10-2003, 06:50 PM	#5
voices3d Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 598	drools over the nice render. Is there any refraction on the glass? or is it just reflection? __________________ ...Earth is a model and life is a render...

12-10-2003, 07:18 PM	#6
philip Tutorial Clown Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 817	voices3D is right: there's only reflection on the glass... nice render though. I'm particularly impressed with the tiles material. Good work. __________________ Don't ever argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

12-10-2003, 09:48 PM	#8
Kvaalen Full Access Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Paris Posts: 536	Cool! I agree with philip about the textures, very nice! I especially like the red metal and tiles. __________________ My Site!

12-10-2003, 10:11 PM	#9
voices3d Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 598	What Refraction index do you use? i never get mine right. __________________ ...Earth is a model and life is a render...

12-10-2003, 10:30 PM	#10
atadami Full Access Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 19	as prescribed by philip i used 1.5 refraction index for the glass and 1.003 for the air as prescribed in philip's jack daniel's bottle tutorial at liquid-arts.de http://www.liquid-arts.de/ thanks philip! and thank you all for your feedback!

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09-10-2003, 04:29 AM	#2
Leovenous Full Access Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 367	Very nice. That kind of refraction render takes me forever and a day. Looks like you need more geometry on the base.

09-10-2003, 06:05 PM	#4
Fallenswordsman Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,702	I really like this set up. Although its not something you would first consider as the most exciting of subjects, I do like the way you've done the texturing and lighting of it. Good old HDRI!

13-10-2003, 08:01 AM	#11
DigiMatt Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,182	wow.. very nice tile texture!!! __________________ http://www.digitalmagic.se mattias@digitalmagic.se icq:1687432 msn: eternal_e@hotmail.com

13-10-2003, 09:05 PM	#12
fusion301 Lifetime Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 96	Well nobody has answered your question...I'm not so certain myself but possibly if you did use motion designer were you thinking of making a particle emitter then linking it to your gumball object? It would require self collision I suppose so they dont go through each other....hrmmm now you have me thinking let us know what you come up with.

14-10-2003, 05:32 AM	#13
atadami Full Access Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 19	motion designer approach well, i think i have the motion designer approach working. i originally thought i could use a particle emitter to generate the gumballs (fx_linker), but getting them to keep from going through each other wasn't working. then i realized i would have to select each gumball individually and activate it in motion designer one by one. (not fun!) so, instead i just arrayed a bunch of gumballs all on one layer getting them as close together as i could within the glass globe and in layout let motion designer (with a little help from gravity) put the gumballs on top of each other. here's a pic of a test i did... i'll post an updated pic of the gumball machine soon hopefully. hmmm... i wonder what motion designer would do with two objects (gumballs) that started out intersecting... more tests!

14-10-2003, 06:35 AM	#14
Kvaalen Full Access Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Paris Posts: 536	Looks like it works for you, but I still think particles would be a faster and simpler way. In order to stop them from going into each other, just give the particles a particle size that is the same as the diameter of each gumball. __________________ My Site!

14-10-2003, 08:05 AM	#15
atadami Full Access Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 19	???? Kvaalen, perhaps i misunderstood, but are you sure particles can detect collision with other particles? i haven't been able to figure that one out. please show me an example... an image, a tutorial, anything... thanks!

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