[philip]

bullet time all over again... when it was introduced in the first, they were careful to use it wisely, but now...

plus philip what about the rubber man look...where he had bandy arms like rubber man? even my little girl laughed!

then she done the right thing and feel to sleep....

im just gald i only paid the $4 in th US instead of the normall £8 here!

[philip]

hehe, the guy behind me was snoring all the time... started about 15 minutes in the movie

[jalingo]

I haven't seen Matrix "Overloaded" yet, as some people I've heard call it, and based on others and this forum thread I am not going to rush out to see it. Getting back to X-Men 2,....I did see X-men 2 and here's my beef with it:

1) Nothing wowed me - dropped my jaw and made me say "Cool!". (We'll not entirely true, Famke leaves my jaw dropped - she's flaming hot in more than one sense in this movie,...or any movie.)

2) Magento should know better than destroy all humans. Pyro says in the film that the mutant gene is in males - normal ones. Or do mutants only have mutant offspring? And do mutants give rise to mutant children with other powers than that of their parents?

3) If Prof. X was targeting all mutants then the mutant who was trapping him in the illusion would be affected, thus breaking the illusion. I think Prof. X in reality is much more powerful than this film made him out to be. More explanation would have helped. Perhaps only mutants outside of Cerebro II were only affected?

I haven't read the comics, but my brother-in-law filled me in on the Jean Grey thing. I can't wait for the next film.

[jalingo]

Ooops! Sorry for my dyslexia, #2 should read "Magneto" and not Magento.

[Cchristensen]

Glad to see I am not the only one to think Matrix 2 was crap. Didn't that whole Zion beginning nonsense seem like some kind of Ewok Village rip-off?

[Catflavor]

X-Men2 - it was great! I loved it. I too was waiting for Iceman to do his freezy thing with the water. It was a bit of a clumsy plot device to have Jean her meet her end like that though. Also liked the little tasters of Collosus and The Beast (when mystique is in the bar he's on the telly), and was there a little tension between Mummy Nightcrawler Mystique and Nightcrawler? But then if she's a shapeshifter, maybe she's his dad...? They got Nightcrawler's 'bamf'-ing just right. Even if he couldn't master the accent. Also thought Magneto's escape was really well done. That was a good bit of plot and cinema

As for Matrix2, I reckon I would have loved it if I could have seen it straight after the original, but instead it was just more of the same acrobatics (which no.1 told us Neo didn't need?) and lots of plot making ready for number 3. The only interesting part was Smith for me. It will be mildly interesting to see if Neo went through the door the architect wanted him to or not - waiting to see if the Wachowski brothers constructed their plot very cleverly or not.

And Philip, as for Neo in a priest robe and the pseudo-religious-cult people...well thats what they're meant to be isn't it? The first film was loaded with Christian allegory: Neo is the saviour prophesied by a John the Baptist type Morpheus. Thomas (Anderson) doubts his abilities - Thomas was the doubter among Jesus' followers. Neo is betrayed by a close ally, Cypher, like Judas betrayed Jesus. This time its a sneeze not a kiss though. *L* Neo willingly sacrifices himself to die after learning that he or morpheus will die, "One of you is going to die. Which one will be up to you", in the same coversation that the oracle prophesies his death and resurrection - she tells him he's waiting for something "Your next life, maybe...". When he does die he is brought back to life by (the) *Trinity* and Neo finishes the first movie by flying up in to the sky - ascension into heaven after the resurrection...? So a bit of religious imagery is kinda what they were aiming for I think. Either that or theres a damn lot of of coincidences there! (and I didn't mention half of the other little details I've seen people discuss). You were dead right about number 2 though... It was all I could do not to fall asleep in Matrix 2. It was obvious it wasn't going to have the punch of number 1 because the whole new and surprising aspect had been removed, but still I expected more :/

On a totally different note: If you want to see something good, watch the Half Life 2 movie from E3 - 20mins long, 600MB download. Very Impressive.

....and I'm spent....

[philip]

of course you're right, Catflavour; on both movies.

I thought X2 *was* great. Only the things I mentioned tasted kind of sour. I believe Nightcrawler could have been a lot more substantial, characterwise, if he wasn't babbling all the time. He would have deserved that. Some darker, more sinister touch to him maybe...

On the Matrix: I loved the original one, in spite of the religious allegories. Since tehy were presented in a plausible, sincere manner, with a touch of mysticism. In the second on the other hand it all was pretty blunt. It just lacked depth.

But yeah, we learned that swearing in french is like wiping your ass with silk: uneffective!

[quaoar]

I've never wiped my ass with silk.....So I'll take your word on that one Philip.

[Catflavor]

*LOL* Yeah, I rather thought that silky bog roll would be up there with the chocolate teapot. Odd fellow that one.